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Re: Question for Nar on hatching


Sorry we kind of usurped the thread, guys, but I David Finch makes a little mention about hatching in this clip, I thought was appropriate to this discussion:

David Finch pencilling


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Gee willikers Batman, that's some great stuff. I've been totally wondering how to incorporate crosshatching into my drawings and everything you guys have said makes perfect sense. Thanks guys! this will definitely help.

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I'd like to add a couple things to the discussion.

You don't need to hatch. Johnson, Art and Neal Adams, Ed McGuiness, Joe Mad don't hatch. They feather now and then but don't hatch.
That being said I am trying to get a grip on details a bit better. I had gotten the Stephen Platt dvd and learned a great deal.

First, he hatches going by the contour of the object your toning (think of a 3-d grid but without all the lines). He thickens the bases of the lines to make them go from the solid black cast shadow to a gradual thin line (it bugs me when I see art where the hatch line is uniform and thin). It was amazing watching him and I got a bit inspired.

The other thing I learned was to slow down. How would a vein cast a shadow , or a bicep. I'm still working on this but I think I am doing pretty good so far. I kept hearing people doing sketch cards in 20 minutes...I tried, but I couldn't get one fully colored in under 2 hours. Since then I said screw it, went in and started rendering the heck outta them.

Since adding this new approach to hatching to my tool box (I was a hatch freak in the 90s but not as good) I absolutely want someone else inking my stuff emoticon I think the thing to mention as well is it starts becoming more and more natural on placement over time.

My two cents.
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Great contribution brother. You gotta do what feels right with your creations. emoticon
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Geo, I think you're confusing hatching with cross-hatching. In the last 20-30 years or so, "hatching" and "feathering" have become pretty much synonymous.

That being said, I think it's a lot more difficult to utilize cross-hatching effectively, as opposed to hatching/feathering.

If you want to see a decent example of someone who doesn't hatch/feather or cross hatch, but spots blacks nicely, look up Don Simpson (The Mighty Megaton Man).

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No confusion emoticon

Again, you have to see the Stephen Plat video.

Feathering to me will always be the little nubs coming out of black shapes. Mignola did that a lot. I think they have since called them tick lines.


Cross hatching is layering hatching over each other from opposing angles. I'll never forget what either mean thanks to high school and college art classes...in fact that's what started driving me away from hatching and cross hatching haha.
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The main difference is that feathering is basically hatching that's used to soften the edge of a solid black area. Hatching can be used to create texture, and doesn't need to be butted up against a shadow area.

And Platt is INSANE. I still remember some of his early issues of "Supreme"...

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I loved his Prophet books. emoticon
Feathering as I understood it, was based on starting heavy and ending light, or thin from a dark base or end of object shape. Hatching, again, as I understood, was basically cross streaking lines to produce a shade of grey to also define shape.

Using feathering and hatching creates a very dynamic and interesting finish.
Well depending on how you work it in there.

You remember Travis Charest? He used to hatch in straight lines with little to no feathering nor contained line weights. But he pulled off a very unique and well thought out style from it.
Very much like the art you see printed on your money. emoticon
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